Big lump goldfish opposite side
Big lump goldfish on the opposite side now and it’s large. Over the last 2 weeks I have done:
Back to back garlic in the tank
Mint in the tank
Baths: 2 weeks ago: garlic and salt (2), mint and h2o2, h2o2 and 1 tsp salt, just h2o2 last night, with massages to the lump.
Lump is soft, but has no head. It’s all under the scales. No sign of pine-cone effect.
Started green garlic juice orally last night and she looked much perkier this a.m. Lump has stopped growing.
Goldfish lumps
Fanny, not Danny. lol
I’ve come up with 5-6 tonics that build immunity and fight bacteria and will switch them up.
It looks like my other Danny, Io, now had a lump on the left, long clear poo and is bottom resting. Also 6, also never had a health problem before. I have astralagus in the tank tonight.
The reason for switching tonics is to keep bad bugs from building immunity; that’s the key. It can’t be determined, how fast the bugs build resistance, so we have to stay a step ahead by switching it up
Makes sense, the 4 days. I figure all I can do is give her probiotics and keep the tonics flowing in the tank after she goes back in. They’re flowing now in fact.
I’ll find an immune boosting tonic.
I think that she’s be dead now without the antibiotic. She looked like a prearlscale, she was so swollen and was fully pineconed. I had had garlic in the tank for over a month and in their food as well. Better dead later than sooner, is how I’ll have to look at it I guess.
Good to know, but you’re not out of the woods. The infection has cleared up temporarily, but it will probably return. The next time you treat with the meds, they won’t be quite so efficient. The bad bugs are already working to get around them
The infection is only a symptom of the real problem. Some body part is slowing in function, and possibly deteriorating, attracting bad bacteria. Most likely the cause is related to female body parts
Think about it….this body part, whatever it may be, is damaged. Treating with medicinal antibiotic is going to injure this already compromised part, and maybe other healthy body parts in the process. Medicinal antibiotics are poison. They kill living organisms; good and bad alike
In most cases, if natural antibiotics don’t work, nothing works
Using natural antibiotics encourages a healthy environment inside and outside the body which builds immunity and body function, while discouraging bad bacteria from forming; keeping them from thriving
It’s true that natural antibiotics take time to work, but their job is much bigger than the medicinal kind. Medicinal antibiotics have only one job to do; destroy
Sounds harsh I know, but such is life. I’m saying it, because I don’t want you to feel too hopeful, and trust me when I say, I hope I’m wrong in this case. I hope Fanny makes a full recovery and lives a long and healthy life :good:
That being said, I might keep her in quarantine four days after treatment. Better to be safe than sorry
By the way, all symptoms gone. :yahoo:
Thanks, I knew she needed probiotics and want sure how to administer. I have some capsules I can open and sprinkle in the gel food. The fannies are 6 now.
I’m using Kanamycin. Today is the last day of treatment. Do you think 2 days in clear water will be enough to wash it out of her before returning to the main tank?
What type of meds did you use?
Unnatural or natural; glad she’s improving, but be warned. Meds work in the beginning, or so it seems, but because they strip the immune system, infection will return twice fold, killing the fish when it does so. At that point, the meds will stop working because the bacteria will have built up resistance
As soon as you stop the meds, put her on probiotics to build up immunity. In fact, I would start them right now. Her immunity was weak in the first place, or she wouldn’t have become infected. You can find powdered probiotics at the health food shops; add to gel food along with garlic powder
Internal infection can develop for many reasons, and in most cases, we’ll never know why. It’s possible female parts are compromised considering the swelling
How old are the Fantails now?
Fingers crossed
It’s internal bacterial infection now. Whether the original abscess was caused by it, or vice versa I don’t know, but it’s clearly a raging internal infection. She pineconed two days ago and after agonizing over it and debating with myself, into the tub of antibiotics she went. Today, the pop eye is gone, she’s way less bloated and her scales are mostly laying flat. She has a few more days of treatment to go and then a couple days of unmedicated water. I’m glad I did it and didn’t wait longer. She’s much, much better and I think she’ll make it. I thought about it and, if I had a raging strep our other infection, I’d take an antibiotic. Sometimes we have to go for the necessary evil. I’m still feeding garlic and putting dandelion in with her, though. The dandelion is am awesome diuretic. :good:
I was do some organizing of the articles, and came across this. I wondered if you’ve seen or remember
https://goldfish-emergency.com/goldfish-koi-archives/goldfish-koi-health/female-complications/
The body swelling is understandable; the strange lumps and their behavior is a puzzle. i don’t get it. :scratch:
She’s quite swollen today, but her energy level is good. No laying around. lol She does look on the verge of pineconing, so I’m keeping an eye on that.
Today we did am and pm diuretic baths, garlic, green and diuretic in the tank, h2o2 in the tank and green and diuretic orally twice.
She’s swimming and eating well.
It’s hard to say, but sounds like you’re doing everything possible :good:
I think the eye pop is due to fluid retention secondary to infection. She had had several skin openings in the last few weeks,, with the abscesses. I still have garlic and h2o2 and green juice in the tank. Gave the thistle and dandelion bath and oral dose as well as oral green today.
They both have amazing properties. Might give her some orally too
I’m doing dandelion and milk thistle today and green tea tomorrow. Just found a great article: The top 7 herbal diuretics.
You can post pics in a post, but not a comment
No diuretic is as powerful as dandelion. Epsom is magnesium, and if the parameters are healthy, it’s not going to do any more than more it’s doing
I saw the video, and not knowing the fish, I can’t say if it’s natural of something is happening. A lot of fish have one eye larger than the other. This is how breeding moors began; focusing on the weak trait
I looked at the older video, and couldn’t see that well
To date, the only thing I have found to cause pop eye is oxygen issues or supersaturated gases
I emailed pics to you. What can I use as a diuretic? Dandelion? I’ve always heard Epsom, but remember you don’t recommend.
Yikes! Fannie is developing pop eye on both sides. It’s slight, but I can see it. I looked at old videos of her to compare. Here are some pics.
Wait, how so I post pics?
What I meant to say is that overall, I don’t think she’s bloating. The mushy rump concerns me, but I think the distended side is from the lump. It came to a small head that has healed over the last few days but there is probably still some gunk inside.
I just took a good look at her during her bath. Only her right side, where the lump was, is s slightly distended, for most of her body length. Her rump is very mushy, like there’s fluid under the skin.
Yes, she’s eaten nothing but garlic gel food for a few days, since she spit out the peas. The clear poo is on again off again, as is the bottom sitting. I think that, while the lumps are gone, she looks slightly bloated.
You asked about her dorsal: When she’s on the bottom it’s relaxed, as is her tail. It’s clear she’s ailing.
I’m mixing up her baths; mint, then garlic, etc. I’ll try adding the lemongrass. And I’ll try halving the amounts in the salt bath.
Do the bath when you think she needs it. Cut amounts in half if you’re using the bath more often. In most cases, more is less. Salt irritates the skin, causing the protective slime coat to increase. Too much, and the fish’s slime coat could grow to thick
The thing is, which is the lessor of two evils; the lumps or the salt? We don’t know
I would use other remedies in a bath. The concentrated amounts are extremely beneficial. Then pour the bath into the tank (all except for the salt bath that is)
Something is seriously wrong. The clear pooh is more than likely linked to the lumps in some way, but how. That’s the million dollar question
Are you feeding any gelatin? Are you still feeding peas marinated in garlic? I would love to see a photo of this pooh. I know. I know. I would like to see it under a microscope. I’ve heard that clear pooh is symptomatic of worms, but I don’t believe it.
Clear pooh probably isn’t pooh at all. If you’re feeding food gel, it’s possible it’s gelatin. If not, this is me scratching my head.
Mint is a great alternative to garlic, but you know this. Lemon grass would be good combined with mint; a powerful combo
Well, more of the same… I did a second salt and garlic remedy bath 4 days ago and Fannie perked right up for a few days and is now back to long, clear poo and more bottom sitting.
Since it helped so much, how often is it safe to repeat the salt/garlic bath? I realized the ideally, I’d never use it, but it really helped her.
As a fish ages, it rest more and more, just like mature dogs and people as well, so it’s not unusual unless she’s flat on the bottom. Is the dorsal fin up mostly? This is good way to test just how seriously ill a fish is. When the dorsal fin is collapsed (not clamped, but relaxed) it’s a bad sign
I would administer the green juice two or three times a day; as much as you can get down her
Since my cycle has been going well lately I test nitrite about once a week. Just tested again and it’s 0.
I tried gel food after she spit out peas and she’s able to eat that, thank goodness. I’m making it with garlic water for the last month.
When I said I’d stopped treatment, I meant her baths, which I’d been doing for 3 weeks. I’ve continued garlic, mean green or mint in the tank, focusing on antibiotics. Sorry, I should have made that clear in my last post.
Now I’ve got garlic, h2o2 and mean green in the tank. Yesterday I gave her an h2o2 bath. This am I gave her an h2o2 and 1 tsp salt bath because she developed an infected scale on the side the lump was on, just yesterday. The lump is virtually gone… maybe the infection is making its way out of the body. This am, one scale is missing and bloody, so gave her the salt and H2o2 bath and dabbed it with h2o2.
I don’t see any bloating or raised scales thank goodness. She is up off the bottom more, but rests on it of and on.
Sorry to hear the good news bad news. That’s really frustrating. Have you tested for nitrites recently? I’ve associated spitting with nitrites. There’s also a possibility that spitting occurs in fish that are experiencing water retention; their throats swollen as well perhaps. Do you remember when Hip and or Po as well bloated? They developed floating issues, yet they were on excellent diets. Obviously the tissue of the intestines were also retaining water, keeping food from passing through the tract
One symptom causing another is common, and it’s a feat fighting all of the symptoms that can develop from one condition
One of our hotline callers just lost a fish with a multitude of symptoms. The fish was being force fed due to a sinking disorder caused by nitrate issues. There’s often a lot of waste when force feeding, and nitrites spiked. The fish began spitting; to be expected, but her scales raised a few days ago, caused by fever caused by infection. The other fish was bloated and bottom sitting
We can’t take these toxins lightly. They cause issues long after the spike
The bloated fish responded to the dandelion remedy by the time the treatment was over. Weeks later she bloated again. I’m thinking when the case is a serious one; treatment shouldn’t be stopped until at least 30 to 60 days has passed with no symptoms; maybe longer
Speaking of; dandelion is now being used to shrink and reduce tumors, so that could be a good remedy to switch over to. Whatever you do; keep the treatments coming. First one then the other. Antibiotics should always be on the priority list for tonics for fish with serious issues. In the end, it’s infection that’s set in due to being lethargic that kills the fish; not the condition itself
It’s also possible the fish is spitting because it just doesn’t want food. Perhaps it’s an automatic response caused by an unknown source.
Did you check in the mouth for a foreign object? If I remember correctly, there was a fish with a stone that had an appetite, but was spitting. Finally a member came in and suggested checking for a stone. Take a looksy
Fannie was doing much better this week. Back to normal from all appearances. I did a WC last night and an h2o2 bath for her and an oral dose of mean green, just for good measure. I had slacked off on treatment for a few days because she looked great. Today she’s on the bottom looking really sick… all day. For the first time, she spit out all of her food this evening. The lump is much smaller. Last night I felt it and it was virtually gone; felt like a normal fish side. Now she looks like she’s going to die. Parameters are excellent. I started garlic in the tank again today, doing h2o2 and a little mean green in there, too. What the heck??? And why do they spit out their food? This is a first for me.
Quite right. Garlic is an anesthetic and a pain reliever. Some fish are more sensitive to it than others, but in most cases you would notice all of the fish sitting quietly if the garlic was making them sleepy. If you see this, and son’t want it to happen, just dilute the garlic by performing a small water change, and they’ll perk right up.
I’ll get right on that editing thing. I’ve also added a button to load comments, so you won’t see comments on pages unless you want to
Still can’t get the sticky menu fixed. It’s the only thing left now
Ibugoldfin?
If garlic makes them sleepy if it’s overdosed, maybe it has some analgesic properties?
Oh, here’s something (me whining again)… I can’t seem to edit my posts, thus the multitude of them. :yahoo: :wacko:
I was thinking about that – about fish having pain. I’m sure this lump has made her feel yucky and I wonder about pain. What do we have to treat pain in goldfish? Tylegold? lol
oh, and yes, the older and newer comments are working just fine now.
Why am I you? lol
I wondered if you were working on things and that’s why they suddenly appeared. You’re doinig a a great job; the site looks beautiful.
Fannie is 80% improved today. I realized that she gets worse on the 2nd day after a WC, so did one last night and she’s much better; back to her normal activities, eating at the algae scrubber, etc. I also added mean green and a full garlic tx to the tank, as well as the h2o2 and fish protector (have been using it all along and forgot to post) and a garlic bath. She is so much better and the lump really has gone down. She’s almost back to normal. I’ll keep up the treatments until she’s 100%, then continue with tonics galore. I want to add another larger female to the tank, but only after it’s in great shape. Pan is chasing Io and Fannie relentlessly – ’tis the season! – and he needs someone his own size to pick on. lol I remember what you said about an all male tank being ideal and there’s a lovely male broadtail ryukin I’ve been eyeing, but two of these big guys going after little Io (well, she’s not so little anymoe… eats like a pig and is the best swimmer in the tank, so is growing rapidly) and Fannie would be too much for them. Pan has only 2 things on his mind these days, eating and spawning and it’s interesting how the 2 things seem to go together – there’s a great chase after every meal. Fun to watch.
She seems to be feeling worse; no improvement through the day. Started garlic remedy in the tank just now, along with mean green.
Okay, now you’ll see most recent comments top of page, and a more of them. Older comments top of page over user name. Let me know if it’s better
I’ll have to work on seeing older comments, that’s a must. Those things turning off and on wasn’t your imagination. I reinstalled a saved version of the theme, but it wasn’t the problem. I’ve turned the plug ins off and on; that’s not the problem either. I’ll have to reinstall a new version of the theme; lose all my settings.
Sorry to hear it. Most fish won’t take easily to being force fed; it’s a battle for sure. She must be uncomfortable. We may have to resort to extreme measures; if so we’ll discuss
But I still can’t read my initial post and any comments made right after. I hate to be a complainer. lol I know you’re working on it.
Oh, I see, now I’m a whiner and a silly person! There are previous and next links at the top. Sheesh, me.
I take that back… the older comments link is now here.
Is there a way to read the older comments here? I don’t see the older comments link like in the forum.
Well, bad news. Fannie isn’t feeling well today and is resting near the bottom. She gets up to eat, etc. She’s quite intolerant of the dropper and the green garlic juice doesn’t go in very well, so I put it in the tank. Very St. Paddy’s Day in there right now! I’m wondering if this is secondary infection from the sore she had on the same side last week. It was a fairly small opening, but still an opening in the skin for a few days until it healed. The swelling on her side isn’t terribly mushy. It extends half way down her left side.
It IS weird that I’m you. lol
Forgot to add that I’ve done aloe in the tank and aloe baths. Poor Fannie! She doesn’t like being handled. I give her a break every few days. Aloe really helped the abscess on the other side. The lump isn’t as mushy as the last one. It may be something different; not sure yet. It does look like she’s getting another tiny abscess on her tail. The first 3 have cleared up. I’m worried because her rump is a little mushy. She’s perky and happy and eating well though.
Yes, I’m massaging with each bath and no, she’s never had any health issues before. She’s 6 years old.
As for the fish, Cricket and I have been discussing privately, and we have high hopes for a full recovery That the lump has stopped growing is a good sign. Ah…the magic of Mean Green
Have you been massaging the lump?
When you have a case like this (one lump after another) you’re not just fighting the symptoms, which have been abscesses, but you’re also fighting a weakened immune system. Why it’s weakened, we don’t know. The fish has lived in excellent water for most of its life. Some ‘why fors’ are impossible to answer
Some abscesses are caused by external factors; bottom sitting in an unhealthy environment for example, which isn’t true in this case. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this fish hasn’t experienced any health issues in the past. To treat; we’re raising the KH value to 140 to 160 ppm and adding health remedies to the water
As an added measure, we’re feeding chlorophyll and garlic orally; Digestive Health Remedy. This remedy will improve the immunity in the tract and the blood stream
I checked things over, and saw the plug in was missing, causing the error. When you post again, it should be right
Okay, that’s just weird. Not your fish’s symptoms, but that you’re me. lol This is going to take some time. I’m just glad we don’t have a lot of traffic right now.
As for the fish, Cricket and I have been discussing privately, and we have high hopes for a full recovery That the lump has stopped growing is a good sign